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How can edits complying with Wikipedia's rule be regarded as vandalism?[编辑]

  1. I concentrate on punctuation revision, what's the problem?
  2. I only concentrate on punctuation revision so I can do fast than usual without using automatic tools, what's the problem?
  3. Were my edit intervals really too short? I just submitted more than one articles at the same time after completing their revisions! Please review my edit history again! Or please tell me how many articles I can submit at the same time!
  4. User:Mewaqua criticizes my edit behavior is "只是依照既定「規則」刷編輯". I don't care my edit counts at all. If I cared, I should do much more than your imagine. How can a user arbitrarily judge another user?
  5. User:Mewaqua criticizes "有時胡亂刪掉參考文獻內新聞標題用作分隔句子的space"、"經常引致斜體字和數學公式不易閱讀"、"有時把本應分段的內容合併在一起", what are the evidences? Or how many errors in my over 9,000 edits? More than 0.5% or 1%? A few my edits might be wrong just as your edits might be incorrect. Why didn't you tell me what articles should be revised again or revise them directly by yourselves? How many Chinese Wikipedians are so unfriendly?
  6. User:578985s just doubted I am a robot or using a robot, then reported to vandalism. Administrator User:Kuailong also agreed to him. In English Wikipedia, they say "The edits of the reported user must be obvious vandalism or obvious spam." Why is Chinese Wikipedia so arbitrary and unfriendly?
  7. Some users appreciated my edits. How can Administrator ignore this fact intentionally?
  8. If my edits is correct without error, what's the problem? Or what's bad to Wikipedia? Why can some users always revert my edits just because they don't like their articles to be touched? See:
  1. IMI TAR-21突擊步槍 has been reverted by User:Krasnyy Suou.
  2. 雷明登887霰彈槍 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
  3. 伯奈利M1 Super 90霰彈槍 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
  4. 伯奈利新星霰彈槍 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
  5. 伯奈利拉斐爾CrioComfort霰彈槍 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
  6. 伯奈利拉斐爾霰彈槍 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
  7. 齊亞帕犀牛式左輪手槍 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
  8. 伯奈利達文西霰彈槍 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
  9. VHS突擊步槍 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
  10. PP-19野牛冲锋枪 has been reverted by User:ArikamaI.
註:此處原有文字,因為是User:Time killer列出另外207項由User:Krasnyy SuouUser:ArikamaI作出的回退記錄,為方便閱讀討論主題,此等冗長記錄,已由Mewaqua(留言)於2014年11月23日 (日) 18:26 (UTC)刪除,尚祈見諒。若有異議請至互助客棧或向管理員反映。
and more...

--tk 2014年11月23日 (日) 03:15 (UTC)


  • 在中文維基,對於Wikipedia:格式手冊/數學還未達成共識,所以刪空格沒意義。如果將來決定符號之間要有空格,那又得改回來。
  • 就一般而言,你的修改也不是沒有side effect,例如整篇文章都刪空格,對版本間差異顯示的影響很大,給後來編者的查察增添困難。也不知會否有潛在問題。
  • 即使不是全自動,你還是使用了某種半自動程序吧?否則難以理解你為何數次犯「,。」這樣的錯誤。
  • 大規模修改本來就容易出錯。請不要指望別人能檢查你的每一個編輯,還能告訴你哪裡有錯處。檢查應該是你的責任。
  • 建議你不如去申請機器人,至少方便監察。

--578985s留言) 2014年11月23日 (日) 09:35 (UTC)

补充一个,根据Wikipedia:签名指引,签名至少包含贡献,用户页或用户讨论页的链接,User:Time killer的签名不符合要求吧。——路过围观的Sakamotosan 2014年11月23日 (日) 09:57 (UTC)
To User:578985s:
  • I just comply with Wikipedia:格式手册, what's the problem with you? If you think 數學 articles are special on Wikipedia, why don't you urge having a discussion instead of claiming "No consensus" one-sidedly?
  • "就一般而言,你的修改也不是沒有side effect,例如整篇文章都刪空格,對版本間差異顯示的影響很大,給後來編者的查察增添困難。也不知會否有潛在問題。" <-- How can you say this so easily? Careless wording is very mistakable! I don't think this opinion makes any sense in fact. No matter it is your feeling or guessing, please stop it.
  • I have said many times that I didn't use automatic tools. 「,。」 was just my misunderstanding. I remember I had said sorry for the mistake to you. You don't believe me, it's alright, but how can you insist on your hypothesis without any evidence?
  • Sure, so I previewed my every edit. Unfortunately, there is still a few mistakes in my thousands of edits. Is there no error in your edits? Or are my errors too many? Most of my edits are correct. I never heard perfectness required on Wikipedia.
  • I have also said many times that I am not a robot or using a robot. Why should I apply for a robot? Too ridiculous!
@tk 2014年11月23日 (日) 13:04 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:格式手册/数学中標明該頁是「尚未達成共識」,"one-sided"從何說起。而且,Wikipedia:格式手册中亦註明「有关数学或数学式请参阅Wikipedia:WikiProject数学」。
  • 把半角符號改為全角符號這點,我覺得挺好。但你的編輯(至少是以往)確實有好些問題。舉例,[1]只改一半弧號;[2]把)(變為逗號,令拼音跟年份連在一起;[3]因改動弧號令內鍵無效。這些恐怕都不是個別的錯誤。
  • 我在提報前已經謹慎考慮過。如果你沒有使用自動編輯程序,還請向管理員申訴。--578985s留言) 2014年11月23日 (日) 15:07 (UTC)
  • 有時胡亂刪掉參考文獻內新聞標題用作分隔句子的space:
    • [4](見「洛杉矶南加州大学再发持枪抢劫 枪手被击伤」,被Time killer刪掉中間的space,尚有他處不詳列了)
    • [5](「開放聖人瀑布 溪山里民疾呼」又被刪去space)
  • 另有:
    • [6](「[[RAM (专辑)|RAM]]」改成全形括號)
    • [7](「國土地理院 地圖閱覽系統 2万5千分1地形圖名:御嶽山(北東)」,這裡有可能是Time killer用了某種工具自動把「御嶽山(北東)」當作消歧義括號,所以加了space)
我沒有那麼多時間把Time killer的九千幾次編輯逐一檢查,所以答不到"how many errors in my over 9,000 edits?"
--Mewaqua留言) 2014年11月23日 (日) 18:36 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't think the space is necessary in those articles you mentioned. That's why I deleted them.
The only tool I am using is F3. It is a built-in function in all modern browsers.
@tk 2014年11月24日 (一) 15:02 (UTC)
許多文章標題被你不分青紅皂白刪了space後,變成「開放聖人瀑布溪山里民疾呼」之類長句,就像沒有標點的古文般,讀者要自行判斷在哪裡斷句,我不同意你說的「I didn't think the space is necessary」,如果你不懂中文語法、標點,請停止做你不熟悉的事;如果你堅持繼續同類行為,我會認定為破壞。--Mewaqua留言) 2014年11月25日 (二) 14:59 (UTC)
Yes,that's your problem.The find and replace function好吧,我的英文超差,我用母语说算了。这个就是你的问题所在了,查找替换本身功能过于简单,不会去理解文段间的意思,你这样简单地查找替换会破坏掉一些有意义的空格,而且从你不能使用中文来看,大概,你不明白一些在zh.WP的写作方法或中文的写作方法。甚至过于形式化,在刷编辑数。所以建议不要再这样做,除非你完全明白你所做的意义,不要拿格式手册做挡箭牌,一来“The code is more what you call "guidelines" than actual rules.”,二来很明显你这种所谓的“格式化”行为反而造成其编辑者的困扰,不符合共识。——路过围观的Sakamotosan 2014年11月25日 (二) 03:21 (UTC)
举个“栗子”,special:diff/33407858,大部分空格移除问题问题不大,但“<ref name="jones2009">Jones, Richard D. ''Jane's Infantry Weapons 2009/2010''. Jane's Information Group; 35 edition (January 27, 2009). ISBN 978-0-7106-2869-5.</ref>”的半角括因为作为引用信息,一般不需要替换;“** [http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2013/06/sneak-peek-springfield-armory-xds-9-video/ SNEAK PEEK: SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XDS-9 (VIDEO)]”是网页标题,不建议替换;“** [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/22/springfield-xd-s-4-0-single-stack-45acp/ Springfield XD-S 4.0” Single Stack .45ACP]”的空格应该是也是网页标题一部分,也不建议替换。而且还有一点,因为你这里是多个不同类型的修改混在一起,对于以上三点问题,逐个修改麻烦,回退能更快,而且其他的空格不移除也不是太大问题。说真的,你这样的操作,我另可回退。——路过围观的Sakamotosan 2014年11月25日 (二) 03:34 (UTC)
回User:Time killeren:Wikipedia:If it ain't broke, don't fix it。制定格式指引時沒有把每一種可能出現的情形都考慮過,如果刪space造成若干文字、圖像過分擠迫不易閱讀,就不必像「五大支柱」或理事會決議那樣必須嚴格遵守,執行格式指引時應該以看到的排版為更優先的考慮,例如你改的[8],你刪了space後,
「兩個數值 ab 構成黃金比例」比較(注意斜體字比非斜體字更佔空間),
哪個更美觀? --Mewaqua留言) 2014年11月25日 (二) 04:51 (UTC)
請留意本頁面設定顯示為英文字型,上面例子在本頁的顯示比起設定用中文字型的原條目頁面略好(實際顯示字型由用戶瀏覽器的選項設定,可選英文字型)。我懷疑Time killer是不是在瀏覽器設定用了英文字型,所以看到的排版與設定使用中文字型的用戶不同?--Mewaqua留言) 2014年11月25日 (二) 05:27 (UTC)
I don't think a common style can be changed by font. Chinese users may use (新)細明體、(中易)宋体、(中易)黑体、微软雅黑、微軟正黑體 by default, but they all look different. Which one is the best? It totally depends on a reader's subjective feeling, preference, etc. If you felt italic style ugly, the solution could be to assign a font to italic style on your computer.@tk 2014年11月29日 (六) 02:47 (UTC)
請留意Wikipedia:格式手冊指出的「以下的規則並沒有聲明不能變動,也不暗示這些規則比其他方式都要好」,在「空格」一節亦指出「其餘未列事項若有爭議,請先到其條目的討論頁或Wikipedia:移動請求等處反映或討論有關問題」,寫明「其餘未列事項」即是說明「特例」不限於該段其它文句已列出者,不存在幾十萬個條目都要保持一致、不能改的「空格common style」,空格並非一定要一刀切「必須徹底消滅」,尤其是有不止一位用戶反對你的做法。--Mewaqua留言) 2014年11月30日 (日) 18:01 (UTC)
Sure. I don't think "空格「必須徹底消滅」". Could you please stop 以偏概全? Many examples in my edits, like "印度河文明終結 肇因 200年乾旱", "外用, 配入外洗方或加入外用药中", do you disagree with me? @tk 2014年12月1日 (一) 12:58 (UTC)


如果你不是老用戶User:Πrate(百楽兎)假扮不懂打中文並意圖擾亂的話,你在「"印度河文明終結 肇因 200年乾旱"」這個例子刪space也是不必要及不應該,保留space的原因是「外部網頁文章標題,原文如此」。--Mewaqua留言) 2014年12月1日 (一) 14:33 (UTC)

1. A friendly denial to this offensive suspicion. My edits are simple and comply with common style, didn't you also correct punctuations, remove unnecessary spaces and blank lines in this edit like me?
2. Alright, I understood and agree to you point of view. I will keep such a space as it is. @tk 2014年12月2日 (二) 13:12 (UTC)
1. 我的推測是基於多過一個的根據,例如對比[9][10]、行事風格等。2. 我對於space空格的取捨準則與你有明顯差異。--Mewaqua留言) 2014年12月3日 (三) 05:47 (UTC)
說真的,刪infobox中的空格和註釋都是意味不明--578985s留言) 2014年12月3日 (三) 14:48 (UTC)
It's meaningful. You have to understand first that more and more users edit Wikipedia through smartphone. Too many unnecessary spaces and remarks in a source code, especially only for layout purpose, will make itself difficult to read on a small screen. This is why the concise infobox style becomes popular. One more reason for deleting some remarks is that, they are not written in Chinese. You don't allow English opinions in 互助客栈 but allow non-Chinese remarks in articles, I don't think this kind of differentiation makes any sense. Or just discrimination to me? Anyway, if you all think non-Chinese remarks should be kept there, I will agree to the consensus. @tk 2014年12月5日 (五) 12:09 (UTC)
想到smartphone這麼細緻…算了不清楚。註釋的話如果有需要,即使非中文也不必刪除啊,反正放著又不礙事。互助客栈不留英文是考慮到頁面展示,兩者無比較性。再說,以你的中英水平順道把註釋翻譯過來亦非難事吧…--578985s留言) 2014年12月5日 (五) 13:36 (UTC)

Articles about Russian artists[编辑]

Anybody can help to improve the translation from English or Russian into Chinese articles about Russian artists? List of Articles in need of better translation can be found on my user page. Thank you! Leningradartist留言) 2014年11月24日 (一) 21:23 (UTC)


Dear users, Can anyone look at these small articles User:Leningradartist/尼古拉·加拉霍夫User:Leningradartist/尼古拉·蒂姆科夫 and, if necessary, correct them? I had rewrote the 《Introduction》 and 《Biography》 sections for return these articles in the main space of the project. Thanks for help and advice! - Leningradartist留言) 2014年11月30日 (日) 09:57 (UTC)

Smart house[编辑]

I want to know about the knowlege of smart house.Who can help me? —以上未加入日期時間的留言是于2014年12月4日 (四) 08:42 (UTC)之前加入的。

Some Wales-related Articles[编辑]

On my user page I've created a table of some articles related to Wales that I hope the Chinese Wikipedia community can create and conrtibute to. I have no Chinese language skills, but I'll help in any other way I can. Diolch. Cymrodor留言) 2014年12月17日 (三) 16:19 (UTC)