用戶:Lnnocentius/Draft:Wikipedia:不要大力出奇跡
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Bludgeon: 用一擁有巨大質量的物品敲擊另一物品.
Bludgeoning the process是指某人為了強調或者強加自己的觀點而向討論大量添加自己的留言，亦或是對所有反對自己觀點的人進行對立留言，亦可稱大力出奇跡。這可能會發生於討論頁，Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論，亦或是維基百科的任何其他討論中。
- 這是不被看好的行為。如果搞的太過，亦可能被視為擾亂性編輯的一種。
大力出奇跡
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Bludgeoning is when a user dominates the conversation in order to persuade others to their point of view. It is typically seen at Articles for Deletion, Request for Comment, WP:ANI, an article talk page or even another user's talk page. Typically, the person replies to almost every "!vote" or comment, arguing against that particular person's point of view. The person attempts to pick apart each argument with the goal of getting each person to change their "!vote". They always have to have the last word, and normally will ignore any evidence that is counter to their point of view. It is most common with someone who feels they have a stake in the outcome, or feels they own the particular article or subject matter. While they may have some very valid points, they get lost due to the dominant behavior and others are less likely to consider their viewpoints because of their behavior.
每個人都可以在討論中抒發自己的看法
[編輯]Discussion is an important part of how consensus is reached at Wikipedia, and everyone should have the opportunity to express their views, within reasonable limits. Sometimes a long comment, or replying multiple times to answer questions or concerns within a conversation is perfectly acceptable. When someone takes persistence to a level that overwhelms or intimidates others, or limits others' ability to interject their opinions without worrying about being verbally attacked, then this activity has risen to a level of abuse. This can be considered an act of bad faith as the purpose is to win at any cost.
Appropriately marking !votes with {{spa}} is not bludgeoning, even if such !votes are numerous. Replying to many questions that are directed to you is perfectly fine. Briefly restating a point once is fine if you feel you didn't communicate it well the first time. Participating fully isn't a bad thing: dominating and nit-picking other's comments is.
沒有人有義務滿足你的需求
[編輯]We're all volunteers here, and discussions are a consensus formation process, not a lawsuit. Not every rationale has to be explained, in excruciating detail, on-demand. The fact that you have a question, concern, or objection does not mandate that others (or anyone in particular) address it.
There's a difference between a request to clarify something, and a demand to explain; between offering a rebuttal, and pestering multiple editors who don't agree with you to respond to a litany of debate points.
Do not badger editors to state the obvious, restate what they already said clearly enough just because you would have worded it differently, or go into detail that is not necessary to gauge support/opposition and the general nature of their view. It is not your job to police others' viewpoints or expressions of them.
如果被指責大力出奇跡該怎麼辦？
[編輯]If you have been accused of bludgeoning the process, then take a look at the discussion and try to be objective before you reply. If your comments take up 1/3rd of the total text or you have replied to half the people who disagree with you, you are likely bludgeoning the process and should step back and let others express their opinions, as you have already made your points clear. If the idea of "losing" in the discussion makes you angry, likely you are too involved and need to step back. Anyone can get too verbose and intense in a discussion; it happens. If you think a policy is being transgressed, ask an uninvolved administrator for their opinion. For RFCs/RFAs/AFDs and other poll type discussions, just walk away and wait until it is over. You have already made your points clear, and hammering them is disruptive. Otherwise, you may be subjecting yourself to disciplinary action. The "winner" in a discussion isn't the person that talks the most, it is the person(s) who clearly and concisely express their reasoning and show why it is based in policy.
Here are some things you may want to consider:
- Each time you use an argument, it becomes weaker. Continuing to argue the same point doesn't reinforce it and can be annoying to others who have already considered your opinion.
- When you dominate a conversation by having multiple talk entries and address every other person's opinion, others may see you as attempting to "own" an article or the subject at hand. This is a type of tendentious editing and reduces your credibility within the conversation. It is also very annoying and inconsiderate to others.
- It is not your responsibility to point out every flaw in everyone's comments. If their opinion is so obviously flawed, give other readers the benefit of the doubt in figuring that fact out on their own.
- You have the right to give your opinion and reasoning in any open discussion. You don't have the right to dominate the conversation in a way that prevents others from participating equally.
於今後改善自己的論證方法
[編輯]Before you start any AfD or initiate any poll or other process, do your homework.
- Read up on the policy that governs the actions you are taking. Quote the policy in your reasoning (briefly, redacting extraneous material as needed).
- Expect others to disagree. Do not reply to every single opinion/!vote in the process. Wait a few days and perhaps add one comment at the bottom of the discussion that may address any or all of the concerns expressed by others.
- It is okay to answer one or two comments that are either quoting the wrong policy, or asking a question. It isn't okay to pick apart every single comment that is contrary to your position.
- Never reply to a comment right after you see it. Wait a bit, clear your thoughts, and make sure they are saying what you think they are saying. Often, someone else will reply back and correct an error or offer some insight that is new to you. Give other editors enough time to agree with you.
- You don't always win in a discussion, and the point of the discussion isn't to find a winner or loser. It is to find consensus. Everyone finds themselves on the other side of consensus every now and then. Accept it and move on.
如果您無法收手...
[編輯]Some people may not be able to pull back and have only an equal say in a discussion. This is particularly true with topics that have a history of heated debate, such as religion, politics or nationality. If you find it is difficult to participate in heated debates without dominating the conversation or by adding a dozen comments, then perhaps you should avoid them altogether and find other ways to contribute to Wikipedia.